System 5 of 6 in our proprietary Revenue Engine
The biggest profit center you have
is the one you are ignoring!
You have heard it your whole career: the money is in the list, and you are in the relationship business. You believe it, and that is exactly why it stings. Somewhere in your email list, your DMs and your old student records is every person who ever raised their hand, and almost none of them have heard from you since. Not because you stopped caring. Because staying in touch with all of them, every day, is not something a human being can do.
CRM Mastery is one of six systems we build. They are designed to connect, so a follower is never dropped between them.
CRM Mastery: what is typical, what you get, and the money.
Every day on our live stream we show the difference between how most people do it and how the people making real money do it. Here is that difference for this one system. Most of our clients sell a product at about $10,000.00, so the money lines below use that price. They are examples to show the math. CRM is a computer word for something simple: the one place where every relationship you have is written down.
Your CRM
What is typical: No CRM at all, or one that nobody opens. Names in an inbox, a spreadsheet, old messages and wherever you sold your last thing.
What you get: One place for every relationship you have, built and kept up by my team. Every follower who left a name, every buyer, every partner.
The money: Every dollar below runs through this. Without it there is nothing to work, and the names you earned just sit there.
Database reactivation
What is typical: Everybody who raised a hand and then went quiet never hears from you again.
What you get: Every name reached again, in your words, until it turns into a sale, a booked call or a no.
The money: If five of them a month buy a $10,000.00 product, that is $50,000.00 a month from people who already know you.
Cross-sells
What is typical: A buyer finishes what they bought and nothing comes next. Nobody tells them what goes with it.
What you get: Everyone who bought one thing is offered the thing that goes with it, at the right moment, without you having to remember.
The money: This is the easiest money you are ever going to make. You are selling to people who already know, like and trust you.
Upsells and your ascension program
What is typical: One product at one price. Your best clients have nowhere to go, so they go to somebody else.
What you get: For most of our clients we build an ascension program. The $10,000.00 product is the entry point, and above it sit the $30,000.00, $40,000.00 and $50,000.00 offers, like a mastermind.
The money: One client who moves up from a $10,000.00 product to a $40,000.00 mastermind is worth $50,000.00, not $10,000.00. Ten clients a year who move up is another $400,000.00.
Brand, affiliate and referral partners
What is typical: Partnerships live in somebody's memory, and there is nothing to trade. You step onto somebody else's stage with nothing to sell.
What you get: Every partner kept in one place and never forgotten. With a product of your own, the commissions go both ways: they are paid for the buyers they send you, and you are paid for the buyers you send them. Some people call them referral partners and some call them affiliates. It is the same thing.
The money: Your network is your net worth. Done right, one relationship is a million-dollar profit center.
How it stacks
CRM Mastery is stage eleven of the fifteen. It runs on the email list you start in stage one, and together those two are the million-dollar profit center. Your website, your show and your clips fill it with names. Five Star Reviews tells it who is happy and ready for the next thing. And what it learns about which offers people say yes to is what Paid Ads gets built on.
One system on its own does a little. All of them connected is where the $50,000.00 keeps stacking.
Your "database" is just your relationships, written down.
It sounds like a computer word, so most people stop listening. It is not one. Your database is every person who ever raised their hand: the one who signed up for your emails in March, the student from two summers ago, the DM you never got back to, the reader who emailed after the book and never heard from you again.
It is sitting in three or four places right now: your email list, your DMs, a spreadsheet somebody made, and wherever you sold your course. You have one whether or not you ever called it that. Every name in it is a relationship you started and never finished. A follower is not on it yet. A follower becomes a name on your list the day your website gives them a reason to leave one. Every person who buys your e-book or books a call on your website adds a name to it.
Who is sitting in your list right now.
Start with a picture. Most people think of their list as one big pile of names. It is not. It is five kinds of people, and each kind is waiting on something different from you. Once you see them as separate groups, the list stops looking like a chore you have been avoiding. It starts looking like a room full of people who each need one specific thing said to them. Let me walk you through who is in that room.
The ones who bought once. They bought your book, took your course or finished your program. They paid you, they got something out of it, and then the relationship just ended because nothing came next. Nobody told them what the next step was. These are the most valuable names you have, because the hardest thing in any business is getting somebody to pay you the first time. They already did.
The ones who asked the price. They sent a message, asked what it costs, maybe asked one more question, and then went quiet. Most people read that silence as a no. After forty years and five businesses, I can tell you it usually is not. It is a busy week, a ball game, a spouse they wanted to talk to first. They meant to come back. Nobody went back to them, so the moment passed.
The ones who raised a hand. They joined your email list, signed up for a class or sent in a question. They told you, in the only way they knew how, that they were interested in what you teach. Then they heard from you once, or not at all. They are not cold. They are simply at the first or second time of hearing from you, and people need seven to ten before they buy.
The ones who almost did. They booked a call and missed it. They started to check out and stopped. They said "send me the details", you sent them, and that was the last of it. Each of these people got within one step of becoming a client. Bringing them back does not take a sales pitch. It takes somebody noticing, and a short note that says the door is still open.
Your finished students. These are the people your work actually helped. They are your best source of the next sale, your best source of a testimonial and your best source of a referral. They are also the hardest to keep up with, because the day one program ends there is a new group starting, and the new group needs you. So the people who already believe in you are the first ones to fall out of touch.
You hand us the mess, and my team and I do the sorting.
What you get. We sort every name into the group it belongs to, so each person hears the thing that fits where they left off. The buyer hears about what comes next. The one who asked the price gets an answer and an open door. The one who raised a hand gets a reason to keep listening. You do not sort anything. You hand us the mess, and my team and I do the sorting.
If you just recognized half your list in that room, tell us who is in it.
You already paid for every one of these relationships.
Every name in there cost you something to get. Ad money, a guide you handed out years ago, years of videos, an hour of your evening answering DMs. That effort is spent and gone. The person is still there, and they still know who you are.
A brand-new stranger costs you that same effort all over again, and they trust you less than the one who already raised their hand once. Working the people who already know you is the only marketing where the expensive part is behind you. Everybody who teaches marketing says this on day one. Almost nobody is given a way to actually do it.
It is not discipline. It is arithmetic.
The old way was memory. A notebook, a spreadsheet, a note that says write back to her, and a promise to yourself that you will get to everybody. That works when you know forty people. You have not known only forty people for a long time.
Say the list is two thousand. Doing it the way you were taught means a real message to each one, then a reply to whatever comes back, then a sale or a booked call, nights and weekends included, because that is when people answer. Then again next month, and the month after. You do not have that time and neither does your team, so it never happens. That is not a character flaw. It is the job being bigger than the day, and it is why the list quietly ages out while everyone agrees to stop thinking about it.
The easiest money you will ever make is already in your list.
Two plain words. This is where the cross-sells and upsells live. Those words sound like something out of a sales seminar. They are two of the oldest ideas in business, and you have been on the receiving end of both your whole life. My first business was a restaurant, back in 1986. When the server asks if you saved room for dessert, that is a cross-sell. When they ask if you want the larger steak for a little more, that is an upsell. That is all it is.
The upsell. An upsell is offering the bigger version to somebody who already bought the smaller one. Someone bought your e-book and liked it. The natural next step is your course or your program, where you go deeper with them. They are not a stranger deciding whether to trust you. They have read you, cover to cover, with your name on the front. The only thing missing is somebody asking if they want to go further.
The cross-sell. A cross-sell is offering something different that goes with what they already bought. A student finished your program. Now there is a workshop, a private session, or a second program on the next problem they are about to run into. It is not more of the same. It is the next thing a person in their shoes needs, and you are the one they already trust to give it to them.
Why it is the easiest. Think about what it takes to sell a stranger. You have to get their attention. Then you have to earn their trust across seven to ten times of hearing from you. Then you ask them to pay somebody they have never paid before. A past buyer has been through all of that. The attention is earned. The trust is earned. The first payment, the hardest one, is behind them. All that is left is the offer.
Why it never happens. Almost everybody I talk to already knows this. The reason it does not happen is simple. Making the offer means going back to every buyer, one at a time, at the right moment, with the right next step for that person, and then answering their questions. That is a full-time job, and nobody on a small team has it. So the buyers sit there, and all the effort goes to chasing new people.
If you sell one thing. Maybe you have one program and nothing else to offer. That is common, and it is part of what we fix. We are a modern day talent agency. That means my team and I package what you know, starting with your own e-book and your own podcast on a website you own, and show you how to sell it. You end up with more than one thing to sell and a natural order to sell them in. Your list is where those offers get made.
Nobody who bought a ticket to your first show should leave the building without hearing about the second one.
What it means for you. Every person who buys from you once is in line to hear about the next step, without you having to remember. A reader gets invited to become a student. A student gets invited to become a client. A client hears about the next thing when it is ready. Think of it the way a talent agent would. Nobody who bought a ticket to your first show should leave the building without hearing about the second one. You did the hard work of earning each of them one time. This system gives that work a second and a third chance to pay you.
If your past buyers have never been offered a next step, that is the conversation to have with us.
We work the list for you, start to finish.
We take it however it comes
A list saved out of your email service, a file pulled off an old course platform, three different programs, a pile of old DMs. Cleaning it up and getting it into one place is our job, not yours. You do not have to organize anything first.
We learn what you teach before a word goes out
Your programs, your prices, the questions you hear all day, and how you like your people spoken to. Every note goes out in your words, about the things your people care about. It sounds like the relationship you already had with them.
Every person gets a real message
A short, human note that reads like it came from you and picks up where the two of you left off. It goes out at a sensible hour, spaced out so each note gets read and answered.
The replies get worked, not collected
This is where the money is. When someone answers, they get an answer: questions, prices, the whole back and forth, day or night, until it turns into a sale, a booked call or a no.
It lands on your calendar
You do not get a list to chase. You get a name and a time on the schedule you already use.
We connect it to your other five systems, so a name that answers becomes a time on your calendar.
Your list is sitting in a few places right now: email, wherever you sold your course, old messages. Every one of those places does the same thing. It remembers. It will hold a name for years and never once say hello to it. That is not a flaw. Those places were built to keep names, and keeping names is all they do. Somebody still has to do the talking.
We put a worker on it. That worker is an AI employee. It reads what is already there, does the reaching out and the answering itself, and gets better at it every day. Think of it as hiring one person whose only job is your list. On a normal Tuesday that person writes to the student who finished in the spring, answers the reader who asked what your program costs, checks back with the one who said ask me next month, and puts the ones who said yes on your calendar. You could not put a human on that job full time. This is how a small team gets it done anyway.
It is not a chatbot, and your people can tell.
A chatbot is a menu of buttons. It knows three things and turns everything else into a form. Anybody can spot one inside two messages, and they stop replying.
This holds a real conversation. Say a past student writes back, "Let me think about it." A chatbot goes quiet or sends a button. This one answers, "Of course. Is it the timing, or is there a question I did not answer? I am glad to check back with you after the summer." She picks one, and the two of them keep talking. It answers the price question the same way. And when a question deserves you personally, it brings it to you with the whole conversation written down. That difference is the entire reason old followers reply at all.
AI Employees do more than texting. They can also handle calls.
Same worker, same list, picking up the phone instead. This recording is an insurance office booking an annual review with a client it already has. For you, it is a past student booked for a check-in call.
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The same employee, on the phoneA call going out, booking an annual review
83 seconds. Turn your sound on.
Listen for the part nobody scripts: she is interrupted, she is asked something sideways, and she keeps going. A recorded message plays whatever it was told to play. This decides what to say next.
And notice who she is calling. She is calling the warmest people you have, the ones who already bought from you: your own students, clients and readers, who gave you their number and expect to hear from you. Booking the check-in, the next program, the call somebody has been putting off. It is the same list from the top of this page, worked by voice instead of by text.
What happens to your list every week.
Not a one-time push. A lot of people picture this as one big message that goes out to everybody on a Tuesday. That is a blast, and it is the fastest way to wear a list out. What we build keeps working, a little at a time, every week. Some people hear from you this week. Others hear from you next week. Nobody gets buried, and no week goes by with the list sitting untouched.
It remembers everybody. Your AI employee keeps track of who answered, who bought, who asked for more time and who went quiet. Someone who said "ask me after the summer" gets asked after the summer. Someone who just bought your e-book is not offered the e-book again. They hear about the next step instead. No person can hold all of that in their head across a whole list, and it is exactly what makes each note feel personal.
New names join the line. The list is not frozen on the day we start. Every person who buys your e-book, hears your podcast and signs up, or sends a message through your website becomes a new name in it. Your AI employee picks them up from there. So the list you hand us keeps growing, and every new name gets the same patient follow-up as the old ones.
A note worth answering. Think about who these people are. At some point each of them chose to hear from you. A short note that picks up where the two of you left off is somebody they liked remembering them, and people answer that. The ones who are ready say so, and they get the next step. The ones who want more time get it, and they hear from you again when they asked to. A question that deserves you personally comes to you. Every reply teaches us which words your people answer. My team and I watch what goes out and what comes back, and we keep tuning it.
Your week. Here is what changes for you. When someone says yes, a call shows up on your calendar with a person who already knows your work. You answer the handful of questions that truly need you. When you have something new to offer, you tell us, and it gets offered to the right people on the list. That is your part. The reaching out, the answering and the remembering are done for you.
When someone says yes, a call shows up on your calendar with a person who already knows your work.
It works with the others. Follow one past student through it. She gets a note about your next program and writes back at midnight with a question. Speed to Lead answers her in seconds. She buys on your website. A few weeks in, Automated Five Star Reviews asks her how it is going, and her words go on your website where the next stranger reads them. Nothing here works alone. CRM Mastery is the system that made sure she was never forgotten in the first place.
What it hands to system 6. Paid Ads = Booked Appointments is the last system we add, and this is why. By the time we get there, your list has already shown us which offers people say yes to, which questions they ask before they buy and which words get an answer. So when you start paying for attention, the advertising is built on what your own people already told us. And every new name the ads bring in goes onto the list to be followed up the same way.
You have heard her work a list. Now picture her working yours.
This is usually the first money you see.
New advertising takes a while to find its feet. Your own list does not. Those people already raised their hand once, so the answers come back in days rather than months. We build in order, one through six, and that order does not change. This is system 5, and it needs your website in front of it, so there is somewhere to send the people who answer. But once it is running, it is often the first system to pay you. Your list is the shortest road to a sale you have.
It is also the honest way to find out whether attention was ever the problem. If a list nobody had touched in two years produces sales, you were never short of attention. You were short of follow-up. Either answer is worth having before you spend a dollar on advertising, which is one more reason paid ads go in last. It tells you, and it tells us, where the effort should go next.
When this system waits.
If you have been at this six months and your list is forty people, system 5 waits. It is one build and all six systems go in, in the same order every time. So we build the first four, the Automated Organic Content Engine and your website fill the list, and then this one goes to work. The same is true if all you have is followers and no emails or phone numbers. Every follower who buys your e-book or books a call becomes a name on it. Everybody's list was forty people once. How big is big enough? Send us what you have on the application and we will go through it with you on the discovery call.
And if you have been blasting that list every week already, we change the order of what they hear. People who have been sold to every week are ready for something worth hearing first, your podcast and your videos. Then we come back to the list with an offer. By then they are listening again, and the offer lands. The build does not change. Only the timing of this one system does.